Part Ni - Japanese Auction Proxy Bidding Final Comparison: JAUCE & Buyee

A few months ago I did a post comparing the Japanese auction proxy bidding services of Japan AUction CEnter (JAUCE) and Buyee.  I have had great success with JAUCE, but felt they were a little too expensive given the amount of new proxy bidding services that have sprung up recently.  After a lot of research, Buyee seemed like the best choice for me if I was going to switch.  If you recall, I wasn't quite sold (no pun intended) on Buyee after my first order.  I'm happy to report, that despite some nuances, I think Buyee is a cheaper option for me and some of the niceties, outweigh the quirks so I am going to permanently switch.  Here is my final report.

I purchased 7 auctions over this shipping period....a variety of stuff for my personal collection, a BBM card for RAZ's collection, and some stuff to sell on eBay.  Some of this stuff I have already blogged about including the Masterpiece Rugby card of Takizawa-san and the 1959 Manga King Bookmark Card.

Storage Fee Time - Final Conclusion

Winner: JAUCE

I actually got bit by two days of storage fees this time for one item while I was waiting on the final item to come in.  In the end it cost me only ￥200, but still annoying that they give you only thirty days.  I'm sure there is a business reason for it, but it feels like being nickled and dimed.  JAUCE is the clear winner here with their 60 days of storage.

Consolidation Fee - Final Conclusion

Winner: Buyee

To summarize, each of these services charges a consolidation fee.  Buyee is ￥1000 for three or more auction consolidations...￥500 for two.  JAUCE is only ￥400 for two or more.  When you have to gather and ship items so quickly with Buyee, this can really eat into any cost savings they have over JAUCE.  Fortunately, it appears my orders are going to be between 7-10 auctions per shipment and the fees are so low that the little extra Buyee charges doesn't drive up the per-lot-price more than JUACE. 

Auction Fees - Final Conclusion

Winner: Buyee

It really is nice not having to pay an arm and leg in auction fees for using their service.  The fact that I can snipe bid with Buyee, along with regular bidding makes this an even better deal.  Hands down, Buyee is the way to go.

Japan Domestic Shipping - Final Conclusion

Winner: Tie, but leaning a little to JAUCE

I went back and check some of my older auctions along with these 7 auctions and it really is hit or miss with Japanese domestic shipping.  Even JAUCE, which doesn't require tracking services, had some higher than expected domestic shipping.  This time around all my auctions with Buyee had pretty reasonable domestic shipping costs associated with them, although they are a bit higher on average than JAUCE.  I'll call this a tie, but leaning toward JAUCE.

Snipe Bidding Service - Final Conclusion

Winner: Buyee

As I mentioned before, Buyee software is more capable and allows you to bid live or set snipes.  Sniping is really handy due to the time difference...I'm not sure if the other proxy bidding services do this, but JAUCE needs to jump on board with this.

International Shipping - Final Conclusion

Winner: JAUCE

It is a little annoying that I am forced to pay ￥1000 and all Buyee does is throw my stuff in a box...they don't literally throw it in there, but when I open the packages, all the stuff is just, well, there.  JAUCE packs it really well and cushions everything.  Buyee sets it all in a box, puts a little packaging on top of it all and ships it.  I can see myself getting damaged goods at some point.  But hey, I am paying for a cheaper option so this is one area where Buyee feels they have to skimp.

Payment Method - Final Conclusion

Winner: Buyee

I love Buyee.  You pay only when you win and then debit your PayPal account directly.  No fees to transfer money like JAUCE does.  This might be the main reason I've switched.

Website Navigation - Final Conclusion

Winner: Buyee

JAUCE's website isn't difficult to navigate, neither is Buyee's.  I like the fact that I get offers for Buyee discounts which can even drive the savings lower with Buyee if I ever take advantage of them.  There are some quirks about both, but Buyee has more options to it.

Here are some rough statistics on the four previous shipments I had coming from Japan and my latest one (Buyee Shipment #2)

JAUCE Shipment #1: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 64% (so 36% in fees)

JAUCE Shipment #1: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 50% (The higher % the better)

JAUCE Shipment #2: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 54% (so 46% in fees)

JAUCE Shipment #2: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 51% (The higher % the better)

JAUCE Shipment #3: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 72% (so 28% in fees)

JAUCE Shipment #3: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 62% (The higher % the better)

Buyee Shipment #1: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 64% (so 36% in fees)

Buyee Shipment #1: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 57% (The higher % the better)

Buyee Shipment #2: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage -70% (so 30% in fees)
Buyee Shipment #2: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost per Lot - 63% (The higher % the better)

For Buyee Shipment #2, overall I paid 30% in fees and the average percentage of hammer price to total cost of each lot (fees + shipping + hammer prices) was 63%.  Not bad and the highest of the 5 shipments, which is good.  The numbers definitely show that Buyee does have overall lower fees which is what I was aiming for.  That can be easily be $25 or more per shipment in savings which can be several hundred dollars per year.  That is definitely worth it and Buyee does seem like the right choice for me.

Japanese Auction Proxy Bidding Interim Comparison: JAUCE & Buyee

I've been a creature of habit when it comes to Japanese online auctions.  Up until about 6 years ago, I used to have a friend do most of the legwork for me in Japan when I was bidding on auctions, but once I started winning 2-3 auctions a week I decided to switch to a proxy bidding service to preserve our friendship.  I landed on Japan AUction CEnter (JAUCE) and have been using them until last month.  Raz over at The Raz Card Blog did a nice write up on a service called Buyee.  After doing some research on several other proxy bidding companies as well, I decided to give Buyee a try to see if JAUCE was still the proxy service for me or if I needed to move on from them.......I've considered JAUCE to be the Cadillac of proxy bidding services and they have not disappointed.  ~500 auctions later I have yet to have a single auction issue with anything I have won and have received each and every item which is a testament to both Japanese sellers and JAUCE.  There have been the occasional JAUCE server issues, but I have had no complaints...other than they are one of the more expensive services.  If I can save a good amount of money with another company, I'd be willing to switch since more money saved is more auctions to buy....as long as the service is comparable.  So after a month of trials, here are my preliminary results...and I plan on one more month of trials with Buyee before I make my final decision, but Buyee does look promising.

I purchase six items over this shipping period (4 from Yahoo Auctions and 2 from Rakuten), which is only 1 month in the case of Buyee, since they start charging you storage fees after that (More on that later, but booooo.......this is my biggest complaint with Buyee).  I compared my last three JAUCE shipments to this Buyee shipment to help me draw some interim conclusions which I decided to compare below.  First, here are the items I purchased (an assortment of modern, vintage, and a couple of magazines):

Storage Fee Time

Winner: JAUCE

This is the most annoying thing about Buyee....they only give you 30 days to store items and on average it takes 1 week by the time you win an auction until they log the item in their warehouse.  So once your first item arrives the clock begins.  I have several more auctions that I have won, but could not include them in this package, because they did not arrive before I had to consolidate and ship.  JAUCE, on the other hand, gives you 60 days.  This allows you to spread the shipping costs over more auctions.

Consolidation Fee

Winner: JAUCE

Each of these services charges a consolidation fee.  Buyee is ￥1000 for three or more auction consolidations...￥500 for two.  JAUCE is only ￥400 for two or more.  When you have to gather and ship items so quickly with Buyee, this can really eat into any cost savings they have over JAUCE.

Auction Fees

Winner: Buyee

This is where Buyee shines over JAUCE.  Fees are a lot lower when it comes to winning and paying for auctions.  So far, Buyee service is on par with JAUCE and I actually like their software a bit better.  They allow you to set up snipe bidding which can be a blessing to prevent some early morning auction bidding which tends to happen as auctions end in the evening in Japan and morning here in the States.  On top of it, Buyee directly debits your PayPal account instead of you having to transfer money to a JAUCE account.  With JAUCE, that money is tied up until you win the auction, or are outbid.  With Buyee, you don't pay until you win so it makes it easier to win auctions in my opinion.

Japan Domestic Shipping

Winner: JAUCE

If I win more auctions, this is where I think Buyee is going to get really annoying.  They don't allow sellers to consolidate packages so you have to pay for shipping two times if you win two items from the same seller...on top of it, they require sellers to send packages via a trackable means....which can drastically increase the cost of shipping with lower priced items.  If you are buying from Rakuten or Yahoo Shopping, you might not notice a difference since shipping likely includes tracking.  But many auctions on Yahoo Auctions are free shipping, however, Buyee will force the seller to send it with tracking and they will pass the cost on to you.  JAUCE doesn't require that and I have not had a problem with anything ever getting...it just is the way Buyee is set up to make processing at the warehouse easier.

Snipe Bidding Service

Winner: Buyee

As I mentioned before, Buyee software is more capable and allows you to bid live or set snipes.  Sniping is really handy due to the time difference...I'm not sure if the other proxy bidding services do this, but JAUCE needs to jump on board with this.

International Shipping

Winner: JAUCE

This is where I think JAUCE outdoes Buyee.  The packages that I get from JAUCE are beautifully packed and each item is well protected with bubble wrap... and I didn't have to pay as much for consolidation nor EMS.  Buyee did a good job, but not as good as JAUCE.  I also had an issue with Buyee's software where I picked the cheaper air mail option and paid...a few days later Buyee issued me a refund and said it was too heavy to ship that method.  Not sure why they gave me the option, but when I went back in to select EMS, the original option was now grayed out.  Software glitch and a minor annoyance for sure.

Payment Method

Winner: Buyee

Hands down, I like to pay only when I win like Buyee does it...instead of putting money into a JAUCE account and having to pay a service fee on top of it to do so.  So Buyee directly taking money out of my PayPal account is nice and much cheaper.  This has always bugged me about JAUCE and I can't tell you the hundreds of dollars I've spent just sending them money to spend with them.  Boo on JAUCE.

Here are some rough statistics on the last four shipments I had coming from Japan (3 from JAUCE and 1 from Buyee)

JAUCE Shipment #1: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 64% (so 36% in fees)

JAUCE Shipment #1: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 50% (The higher % the better)

JAUCE Shipment #2: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 54% (so 46% in fees)

JAUCE Shipment #2: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 51% (The higher % the better)

JAUCE Shipment #3: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 72% (so 28% in fees)

JAUCE Shipment #3: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 62% (The higher % the better)

Buyee Shipment #1: Hammer Price vs Total Price Percentage - 64% (so 36% in fees)

Buyee Shipment #1: Average Hammer Price vs Total Cost Per Lot - 57% (The higher % the better)

Interim Conclusion - I'm going to have to get lucky I think with the Japanese Domestic Shipping charges and how much they charge for trackable shipping methods...like I said, that could really eat into any savings they have over JAUCE.  My JAUCE Shipment #3 was sort of an enigma as there were a bunch of high-priced items so the fee percentage is naturally lower.  The first two JAUCE shipments had about half the auctions and lower priced per auction so the fee percentage is higher.  Okay, I'll report back after another month of so and I'll let you know if I am going to make the ultimate switch.